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In Brussels there are prejudices about Italy and the dem Andrea Orlando does not deny it. But the optimistic Minister of Labor thinks that Palazzo Chigi has given Europe all the guarantees and, even if we started late, the Draghi government will get the first billions of the Recovery as early as July.
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Why did this show of strength with the EU come about?
We are the only country that has had to face such a delicate transition in the midst of a government crisis. First due to the instability of the Conte bis and then due to the fall of the executive, we had to interrupt the work of preparing the Pnrr. The crisis, as we felt in those days, was certainly not a useful thing.
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Didn’t he forgive Renzi for bringing down Conte?
Not a question of forgiveness, a fact, we lost two months.
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Why have we not offered the required guarantees?
We have given all the guarantees and the figure of Draghi has helped to personify them, but the Recovery is a serious effort and these three months have served to complete the part of the system reforms, which we knew to be the weakest.
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From one page, to 40 …
Yes, there has been a profound rewrite, to offer a more articulated and complete answer. Net of this, the plan incorporates a very large part of the previous approach in the objectives. In the CDM, the premier also thanked the Conte government for the work done. This is the second half of a game that we played well, winning the first with the conquest of the funds and the definition of the physiognomy of the Recovery.
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Yet Brussels has made severe demands on you. Are we not considered reliable even with a former president of the ECB at Palazzo Chigi?
Draghi’s figure and prestige help us, but they do not by themselves erase the anti-Italian prejudices rooted over the years and the country’s structural limits. a mix, prejudices must be rejected and problems must be addressed. Europe invests 200 billion of common debt in Italy, it does not seem strange to me that it wants guarantees on the very high tax evasion, the very strong tax evasion, the scourge of illegal work ….
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I stop you, because there has been a clash with Brussels over this dossier from your ministry. The plan lacks the indication of how submerged it will be possible to break down and by when?
one of the issues on which there has been a strengthening, we have strengthened control mechanisms and structures.
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Given the delay, will we get the first check in September, or will we make it by July?
If we respect the timetable, we are in a position to reach the July target.
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Has the superbonus knot been untied?
It seems to me that there has not been a division between the political forces, as we all believe that objective is important. It was a question of finding technical mechanisms to create a tool that is working and thanks to the work of Minister Franco the knot was solved.
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Won’t the pensions knot be resolved before autumn?
In May the conditions will be set to open a discussion and understand how the theme is articulated after the fall of Quota 100, also taking into account the productive restructuring that will become necessary. Once the protocol for vaccinations in the workplace was concluded, I considered it urgent to activate two tables, social safety nets and active policies, because I believe these are the priorities.
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The labor lawyer Cazzola wonders what happened to the table on social safety nets.
As I think Cazzola also knows the issue is not the simplest and the resistance is very strong. I have been working since the first day of my inauguration and intend to close the plant by July.
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With the clause desired by the Democratic Party, how many jobs for women and young people will be able to recover?
The Democratic Party got its name and won a very important battle. A clause has been introduced which favors the recruitment of women and young people in the implementation of the plan. A fundamental step on the front of gender equality and a concrete response to very negative dynamics in the labor market. In the first months of the year almost only women and young people lost it.
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Between Salvini and Letta continuous clash. Is Italy in danger of wasting even the Draghi card because of the quarrels between the parties?
I do not think this is true for the Democratic Party, which has never hindered the focal dialogue with Brussels. Even without shouting and threatening ultimatums, results can be achieved.
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Do you think Salvini is considering leaving the government?
The abstention on the reopening decree is a very worrying alarm bell. If ideas become propaganda and if propaganda leads to fractures, in such a delicate moment they weigh ten times as much. Collecting signatures against the decisions of the government to which it belongs, then, is unacceptable.
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Di Maio warned the Democratic Party: the alliance does not take off and so Salvini wins.
No, I believe that the alliance with the M5S is increasingly within reach. If Di Maio had said on the eve of the administrative offices that he considered the lack of alliances with us a problem, it would have taken not one, but twenty signatures. Now it is a question of gathering the space that has opened up and concretizing, refining those who try to boycott the alliance.
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