Action leader: «Berlusconi says he is the center? Well, keep the center of him, we keep the pole of good governance ». And on Renzi: “he Be careful or he’ll be empty-handed”
Carlo Calenda, Berlusconi says: the center is me …
“Well, keep your center, we keep the pole of good governance. But can I tell you the truth? This discussion on the center does not excite anyone and is of no use to Italy. Moreover, a center that is a mixed fry does not make sense. The real problem of our country is that nothing can be done, from the waste-to-energy plant to the maintenance of the water network to the implementation of the measures. So what is needed is a culture imbued with administrative capacity with a liberal-democratic inspiration that closes this season of bipopulism. And this is our project ».
Do you continue to be wary of Luigi Di Maio?
“It’s not that I’m wary. I don’t care about Di Maio. I am happy for him that he has seen the light, that is, that he has understood that everything he has done in these ten years is wrong, but in this case we take responsibility and draw the consequences ».
You told Giovanni Toti to let go of Di Maio.
“Toti is a good administrator, Bucci is a good administrator, they are people who have nothing to do with the right wing of the Brothers of Italy or with Salvini’s Lega caciarona. This is why I said to Toti: focus on your ability to be a good administrator instead of standing there chatting with Mastella and Di Maio. Nobody cares about that center, the Italians don’t care, we don’t care. It is another project than ours. We are launching a reformist liberal area that has two leaders elected in the congresses of their respective parties, myself and Bonino. We don’t need tube-built federators. After that, doors open to everyone as long as they respect this principle: no two-oven policy. On September 24th there will be a big convention in which we will present the program for Italy with Cottarelli and many other personalities. Who is interested in this project well, who does not want to be there, amen, without grudges ».
Did you hear more with Renzi?
“I also invited Iv to the convention on September 24th. Renzi said that he will decide in January, very well, but we will already be ahead in January: we will have launched this liberal-democratic area. I imagine he will then turn either to the left or to the right. You want to keep your hands free for a while, but be careful not to end up with empty hands. ”
Do you feel a little sorry for the government hanging on to Conte?
«I feel sorry for Italy even before the government. Conte handed over a sheet that looked like Miss Universe’s declaration when she wins: fighting poverty, loving her mother. Exhilarating. Here, I would like to claim the fact that I never believed that Conte was the point of reference for the reformists and I never made a government together. And today if I were the Democratic Party I would say: but you know what? Maybe Calenda was right. It strikes me very much that Berlusconi is unable to say a word towards Salvini’s follies, just as Letta is unable to say anything towards Conte, who is devoid of any sense of responsibility and has a political line. truly pro-utinian foreigner. It is cowardice not to be able to say “enough let’s get rid of Salvini and Conte and build a great republican front that will help Draghi to make the reforms that are needed for the country” ».
So he’s angry with the Pd and Forza Italia?
“Yes, the problem is not Conte and Salvini, who are two people who in no civilized country could have government ambitions, the problem is the Democratic Party and Forza Italia who are subjected to the populists and sovereignists. If the next elections turn into a clash between the Nazis of Illinois and the neo Maoists and in the new legislature bipopulism is not defeated, Italy will become like Venezuela “.
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July 9, 2022 (change July 9, 2022 | 22:32)
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