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Markus Lanz: And then Gabriel speculates about the next coup in the USA

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EThere was a moment at the beginning when the ZDF Talk had the potential to really surprise. A visit to the state of West Virginia last year “refuted prejudices,” said SPD politician Sigmar Gabriel, ex-foreign minister and honorary chairman of the Atlantic Bridge, at Markus Lanz on Tuesday evening.

Gabriel wanted to find out how once Democratic voters become Trump voters. He was “met with completely normal people, well educated”. What they had in common was the “hatred of elites,” said Gabriel. Both Barack Obama and Trump were eligible for these people. “They weren’t crazy or violent criminals wearing bison fur. They were normal people. “

The historian and freelance journalist Annika Brockschmidt (“Zeit Online”, “Tagesspiegel” and ZDF) also stated shortly before the first anniversary of the storm on the Capitol that on January 6th, not only those in Washington were on the streets, those on many TV pictures can be seen: “There were people who could afford to travel to Washington for a day, pay for a hotel, and doctors were there.”

Ordinary people, wealthy people, not crazy people

The third guest in the round, USA correspondent Johannes Hano from ZDF, spoke about conscious identity formation by interested parties, the conscious use of ethnic and religious identity narratives does not only exist with the right, but also with the left.

Ordinary people, wealthy people, not crazy people. At the same time, the panel agreed that the supporters of Donald Trump – or optionally the US Republicans – are endangering democracy.

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At times one had the impression that 2024 would be about the choice between autocracy and democracy, as a viewer commented on the second screen of social media during the broadcast.

Attack on investor Thiel and Silicon Valley

The talk show was hardly about the programs of the parties, but rather the question of whether it is primarily material, religious or identity reasons that decide on the cross on the ballot in the USA. And with Trump voters, of course, who influences them.

And as quickly as the “hatred of elites” as the mainspring of Trump voters became consensus, the group consisting of a Social Democrat and three journalists with Lanz agreed on an elite that can be attacked without being contradicted: a money and tech elite in Silicon Valley, which is now exerting political influence.

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As with every good enemy, of course personified: Peter Thiel, PayPal and Facebook investor from the very beginning, is now the man who stands for the reprehensible thing about Silicon Valley. The talk guests mentioned his name several times and spoke about the harmful influence of the Frankfurt native on US democracy.

“Scary how the influence of big business is”

ZDF correspondent Hano began: “There is a small group of super-rich Americans who have their very own idea of ​​what America should look like, ideally deconstructing the state, i.e. destroying the administrative state.” This group does not want the police, no FBI, do not pay taxes, but determine.

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“They are people like Peter Thiel,” says Hano. Fund election campaigns for Trump-dependent senators. It is “scary how the influence of big business is”.

Sigmar Gabriel had to brake briefly: “There are no one-dimensional explanations”. A few sentences later the SPD man was also at Silicon Valley. “Next up are the tech companies and want to evade political regulation.”

The allegations remain unchallenged with Lanz

The Social Democrat with the Apple Watch flashing on his arm got going, spoke about Thiel & Co’s wish for an island in the sea where technology can be developed without control, about an ideology of neoliberalism “taken to extremes”, he put it : “State, stay out of it, politics, stay out of it – and if that doesn’t work, then we’ll destroy the nation. If one way doesn’t work, then we’ll go the other. That’s what they’re doing there. “

“The other way is not called democracy”: Brockschmidt also agreed to the attack on the tech investors and Trump advisors.

Peter Thiel and an elite in Silicon Valley wanted to destroy the nation, to abolish democracy. The allegations were not contradicted.

Putsch speculations by the ex-foreign minister

Since the presenter Lanz was not in a rowdy mood that evening, the guests became all the more evident. The problem is that Trump supporters have learned from January 6, 2021, the failed assault on the Capitol, Gabriel said. They would “now create the conditions that in Congress and in the Senate no confirmation of a democratic president can take place”.

Electoral men and women who decide victory in the US electoral system would be determined by regional parliaments. “If you send those there who will declare in any case that a Democrat has the majority, then the election was falsified, then you get a situation in which next time maybe a Democrat wins again by the numbers, but the electors and women vote differently. “

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He believes that is what Trump’s supporters in the 2022 congressional elections were aiming for. It is about a “long-range effect on 2024”, the composition of those who decide: will an election be accepted or not.

In the discussion about deliberately re-cutting constituencies and changing the rules for voter registration, Gabriel also explained how his “Atlantic Bridge” was trying to intervene in the USA. She works with organizations that mobilize Latinos and “people of color” to be entered in the electoral roll.

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What is left of this program? A former foreign minister did not speak diplomatically cautiously about actors in the transatlantic ally. Together with the journalists in the unusually – but expected unanimously on this topic – appearing group, he speculated about a coup in the USA, which will be prepared this year. In addition, warnings against a too powerful tech elite and advice from Germany for a better democracy.

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