@Rednaxela48
I just don’t understand one thing. What do all these clubs have to do with RB Leipzig now? I love the way this straw man argument is now being ridden to death. So what does the ability of a fourth division player to play their way up to the Bundesliga have to do with RedBull Leipzig?
But if you already call that “arguments”, then let’s look at it again.
That sounds like it would have been otherwise all the time, as if long-time 2nd or 3rd division players had promoted to the Bundesliga and stayed there for 10 years. And only the money that is in circulation now prevents all of this. And that’s exactly why it is so legitimate to simply build a club out of the ground, to pump coal into it without end and then to be happy that you have made it this far.
Sorry, but then show me which clubs have fought their way up out of nowhere in the past. It wasn’t like that either. The only thing that has happened is that the circle of potential Bundesliga clubs has become smaller and the rotation has decreased.
Clubs like Bayern, Dortmund, Schalke, Gladbach, (Leverkusen), Bremen, Cologne, Frankfurt, Hertha etc. have been in the league for ages or have been gone for a maximum of 1-2 years, even before “commercialization”, so simply established. In addition, with Freiburg, Augsburg and Mainz there are 3 such “smaller” clubs that have established themselves there. And yes, Augsburg had an investor, but what was the great investment in players there? There were never paid anything unusual for the league, regardless of whether it was in the 3rd or 2nd division. Augsburg has everything but not bought up. Infrastructure was created there, that’s all.
In addition, with Union, Paderborn and Düsseldorf there are 3 promoted players in the last 2 years, of which Union and Düsseldorf have at least managed to stay in the league for 2 seasons.
With the exception of the newly rich Leipzig, Hoffenheim and Wolfsburg and the newly established Augsburg and Mainz, there were generally exactly 28 “old” clubs which had played the first league for 7 years or more, i.e. were really established. So that’s 18 Bundesliga clubs who have alternated with 10 other clubs over the long term.
In addition to the 9 “veterans” mentioned above, Stuttgart, Hanover, Nuremberg, Hamburg, Ingolstadt, Darmstadt, Braunschweig, Fürth, Kaiserslautern, Bochum and St. Pauli have been in the league over the past 10 years. The first 6 were all there for more than 1 year. In other words, you can definitely climb up and stay there. It always takes a bit of luck, but it’s not just because commercialization has made something impossible.
In addition to the clubs mentioned here, there were exactly Duisburg, Karlsruhe, 1860, Uerdingen, Bielefeld and Rostock, which had played the Bundesliga for more than 10 years and had not been there for 10 years. 1860 and Duisburg catapulted themselves into ruin through mismanagement. Bielefeld is back now, Bochum can do the same thing next year, Karlsruhe was close a few years ago. Uerdingen was dropped by its investor and is now unable to get back up despite having a new investor. The only club that has really disappeared into nothing through commercialization and has been a long-time Bundesliga club is Rostock.
One of the main reasons why there is no longer such a large rotation there is simply completely suppressed by you. In the meantime, Wolfsburg, Hoffenheim and Leipzig also have 3 more plastic clubs in the league, which also take 3 places away and float financially above so many others that they automatically do not compete with any of the smaller clubs and cannot go under. A fate like that of Kaiserslautern or what might overtake HSV now will very likely not happen to Wolfsburg and Leipzig as long as VW and Redbull do not want it. If 3 more places are more or less cemented, there are now 3 places less on which potential climbers can establish themselves.
But you’re right, the whole thing was of course already broken before and so Leipzig can of course do what it wants, no problem at all. What bullshit. And then claim that you would stick to your opinion while you do exactly that and instead of “arguments” just throw some straw man arguments at your feet, which are also complete bullshit and have nothing to do with the actual topic.
And then hide again under the guise of the DFL, the organization that tries to protect its great RB anyway with all means. RB cleverly bypasses the “rules” of the DFL, only there nobody cares because the money flows. So much for that.
Have fun in your fake shower can world.
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