Ari Deelder wanted to meet in the Wester Paviljoen in Rotterdam. With good reason, because the terrace there is directly opposite the stately building in which she grew up. The view of Huize Deelder creates nostalgic feelings. She still remembers the balconies full of avocado seeds planted by her mother, set designer Annemarie Fok. The 45-meter-deep garden where Ari celebrated her wedding in 2018. And the basement where she ‘deplored Lazarus’ when she crawled home after a night with friends.