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Ciesek in the Corona podcast: Mutations can affect vaccinations | NDR.de – news

As of: 01/26/2021 5:13 p.m.

Im NDR Info Podcast Coronavirus Update explains Sandra Ciesek to what extent vaccinations can be influenced by mutations and for whom antibody drugs would be useful.

by Sonja Puhl

After a year of pandemic, the occurrence of mutations in the original coronavirus has recently caused a stir. The British, South African and Brazilian variants have now also been registered in Germany and some in the north. There are now fears that a vaccination might not work against these mutations or might not work as well. The mutations E484K and K417N only occur in the South African and Brazilian variants and “probably have an influence on the neutralization,” says virologist Sandra Ciesek from the Frankfurt University Hospital. These are so-called escape mutations. This means that a virus variant can evade the neutralization of the immune response, so that you can possibly be infected again after you have already been infected. It could also limit the effectiveness of vaccines and antibody therapies.

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The immune system needs more antibodies for escape mutations

However, Ciesek reports on two previously published studies on the immune escape, which suggest that the neutralization of these mutations, for example by vaccination, has not been completely abolished, but has only become weaker. Further studies are still necessary, says Ciesek. The preliminary, cautious conclusion of the expert: “It means that more antibodies are needed to get the same effect as if one were to neutralize the ‘wild type’.”

Vaccine providers announce adjustments

According to Ciesek, the vaccines from Biontech and Moderna currently inoculated in Germany have great potential: “The mRNA vaccines are very effective and ensure that we produce an excess of antibodies,” explains the virologist. Nonetheless, the Biontech company has already announced that it will be able to adapt the vaccine at short notice. And the supplier Moderna is also working on a modified vaccine that specifically targets the South African mutation, like a so-called “booster” that could be administered for the second vaccination, which is required anyway, reports Ciesek. “Of course, that still has to be checked in studies, but it would be one way of dealing with it. But then you always have to show that this new vaccine, which targets the variant, is also the original virus, the Can neutralize wild type. “

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Monoclonal antibody drugs are only suitable for certain patients

In addition to vaccination, Germany also relies on the administration of drugs with monoclonal antibodies that cause passive immunization. Federal Health Minister Jens Spahn (CDU) recently announced that the federal government had bought 200,000 cans for 400 million euros. One of the two preparations from the US manufacturer Eli Lilly or Regeneron is expected to arrive at the University Medical Center Hamburg Eppendorf (UKE) in the next few weeks. It should be used to treat inpatients and partially inpatients who have mild or moderate symptoms and who show risk factors for a severe course. The drug is not suitable for intensive care patients who are already ventilated. The UKE will scientifically monitor the administration. The drugs are not yet approved in Europe. Virologist Ciesek also sees clinics as the main field of application for these drugs, as they have to be administered intravenously. She also points out that these drugs only make sense in certain patients, such as people with suppressed immune systems who are unable to produce antibodies themselves.

Confusion about the effectiveness of the Astrazeneca vaccine in the elderly

The question of which patients the Astrazeneca coronavirus vaccine is suitable for made confusing headlines today. The pharmaceutical company rejected allegations that this vaccine is said to have only a weak effect on seniors. A spokesman for the company said a recent study shows that the preparation induces a strong immune response in seniors. However, the proportion of older subjects in the registration study was comparatively low. Virologist Ciesek also warns against jumping to conclusions: “I hope that the regulatory authorities will check this in a very transparent manner, then inform them and also trust them that they will make the right decisions.”

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